Phones

Jun. 27th, 2005 09:33 am
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This weekend went fairly well. Back to visit the family, and just chill a bit really.
Kinda nice. Took my parents out for a meal, (belated fathers day), and ... well read a lot of Peter F. Hamilton's "Pandoras star".

Also bimbled into the vodafone shop to see what upgrades they do. No real interest in switching provider, but I think a new handset is in order.

Well, the phone selection has diminished down to:
The Sony Ericsson K750i
An Ericsson, which supports Float's mobile agent has memory expansion and 2Megapixel camera.

The Nokia 6680
3G phone. Probably will cost (about £40-100, depending on what contract tweaks I go for) for upgrade. Has video and a 1.3Megapixel camera. Does anyone have experience of 3G content? e.g. is there any point at all, assuming I'm not going to be using video calls? (apart from maybe once or twice for a laff)

And the Motorola RAZR V3.
Like the man said. Lovely hardware, crap software. But the hardware really is rather lovely, that metal casing is just ...

Sigh, decisions decisions.

Date: 2005-06-27 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girl-working.livejournal.com
3G - Not worth it. I had it on 3 - never used it. Ever.

IMO:

Nokia - Fantastic phones. Was very tempted this time around. Nice, they work, and they're a phone company. Never had an issue with any Nokia... :)

Razr - I love mine. :) Nice & loud (good with my hearing!) and thin, cool and pretty. Software, yeah, crap, but it's a phone! The speaker phone & voice dialing work well (er, 'cept my voice + voice dialling = dodgy anyway!) and it's got the small USB charging port... Big bonus for me as I can leave the USB cable at home to charge at home and the USB -> Plug at work. :) No video...

K750i - IMO? A phone on a camera isn't worth it. Get a digicam. *reads up on the 'phone* The fact they're selling it as a phone and a camera makes me wary 'cause a 'phone isn't a camera! Having said that, I've had a Sony Ericsson I think... It was OK. It was a phone. Radio is a nice touch.

Hmmm... Personally, I can see your problem! All are nice... I like flip-phones 'cause then I don't press the wrong button when I forget to lock it...

I think it depends whether you want a 'phone or a toy... :P I have a camera, I have a PDA, I don't /need/ lots of snacky extras. And I wanted a cool looking flip phone. Hence the RAZR. 3G isn't worth it... But Nokias are nice and usually steady phones... The Ericsson looks ugly to me, really... And the fact they're making such a big fuss over the camera puts me off a little...

However, both the Nokia and Ericsson have memory card ports... Again, toy/PDA or 'phone?

Decide what you're going to use it for and whether you want a cool looking 'phone or a do-it-all toy...

Date: 2005-06-27 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
Three screwed the pooch on their content. Vodafone 3G will be 'open' access to ... well everything on the 'net.
This becomes especially handy when I start looking at PDA -> 3G phone, to do stuff on the net at 300kbps-2Mbps.

And in theory, the Nokia 6680 is a rather funky phone in that sense, with useful 'stuff' built in. Video calls are a bit of a white elephant, but decent web access is a fairly handy feature (let's face it, WAP is cwap).

A camera on a phone is handy, simply because I always carry a phone, I don't always carry a camera. (I don't actually own a digital camera, but that's a secondary issue).

Oh, and vodafone don't have the Razr V3 in stock at the moment, due to a recall. At the moment, I've got several 'stacked' contacts, with multiple numbers. I can live with transferring those and splitting them up, but it's something of an annoyance.

Date: 2005-06-27 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
Not all 3G is equal... Hutchison Three decided to give it's users access to a limited selection of content that it kept total control over (only recently have they opened their network up to other content providers). This meant users wanting full internet access were stuck with shitty horoscopes and football results.

Vodafone 3G is marketed at two core audiences, the 'Live!' crowd who want football scores, horoscopes and the latest from the big brother house... and business users who want reliable high speed data access to VPN into their office from the train. The upshot of this is that while Vodafone want you to use 3G to browse their content you actually have complete unrestricted Internet access which makes 3G infinitely more useful .

3G isn't worth it on Three, but on other networks 3G is very good value for money.

Date: 2005-06-27 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girl-working.livejournal.com
Hmmm...

Yeah 3's 3G sucks.

But I have 'net at work & 'net at home... So not too fussed 'bout 'net elsewhere. :) Oh, and a PDA for 'net in wireless areas... :P

Meh. That reminds me. Must get mem card out of camera...

Date: 2005-06-27 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
but but but... what do you do between work and home when there isn't any WiFi?!... oh, thats another thing.... the Nokia works really well with my iPaq.

Date: 2005-06-27 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
Read a book? :)

So, how does LJ work on your 6630?

Date: 2005-06-27 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
I splashed out and bought a copy of Opera for Series 60, it works great :)

Date: 2005-06-27 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
Hmm, now there's an idea.

Still come down to: All singing, all dancing brick, vs. little diddy that ain't all that smart, but makes phone calls just fine :)

Date: 2005-06-27 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
Hmm, my friends page is 1mb. 350k without images. That could start adding up rather fast... :)

Date: 2005-06-27 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
Opera lets you browse without images :)

Date: 2005-06-27 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girl-working.livejournal.com
Hmmm, pity I doubt there's a version for the V3...

Date: 2005-06-27 11:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
Unlikely - V3s are, as you point out, phones, not 'smart' phones :)

Date: 2005-06-27 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
Net at home, and net at work, but with 3G you get net on the bus, train, in the pub, when you're visiting family, and when you're in the toilet, and when you're at a wedding and ...

Hmm, that's got some promise ... ;p

Date: 2005-06-27 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
Not to mention video-calling while on the toilet!

Date: 2005-06-27 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
"Hey, look what I did"

*smirk*

MMS for a whole new level of offensiveness.

Date: 2005-06-27 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girl-working.livejournal.com
Er, now I've been known to use my PDA on the loo to web browse, but video calling... Er...

Date: 2005-06-27 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jorune.livejournal.com
I tried to buy a 6630 from Orange, there was one proviso which stopped me. It had to sync with my T2, the orange tried all manner of setups and differing phones but it didn't happen. I couldn't web surf so no sale.

I believe that Palm need to update its phone link software, until that time 3G is out of reach. When will that happen? Unknown. 6630 looked good but I understand that the 6680 is superior.

Presumably this is pie in the sky as you need to have a phone without a camera? what about the new simple phones from Vodafone.

Date: 2005-06-27 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sobrique.livejournal.com
They've changed the rules on cameras, because they realised that they were ridiculous. They're now 'don't use the camera (on site), or you get sacked'.

My Palm is almost a non-event for phone linking. However, I'm working on blagging PDAs from work, and the iPAQ allegedly works very nicely indeed with the 3G phones - to the point where you can do fun stuff like VNC into a server. (telnet, of course, is as straightforward as it ever was)

Date: 2005-06-27 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crashbarrier.livejournal.com
oooh Peter F Hamilton...

Date: 2005-06-27 09:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
I have very limited experience of the k750i so I can't really comment on it beyond saying that I found the menus awkward.

I've given my opinion on the V3 (nice hardware, bad software) but there was one more thing... those buttons!!! they look so great until you try and use them while not paying attention, they are all flat so they all feel the same :(

The 6680 would be my choice, you'll probably never use video calling (I think I've made 3 or 4 video calls on my 6630) and you might not want to use 3G data (Can't. stop. checking. LJ) but it's still a solid well featured phone. And for a smartphone it's quite speedy (though not as fast as the not-smart 6230).

Date: 2005-06-27 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girl-working.livejournal.com
Meh. I have to agree. :)I love my V3, but I use it for calling, not for much else!

So I'd go with the Nokia, they're solid, reliable and nice. :)

I just like my cool looking 'phone. :D And the USB charging. :)

Date: 2005-06-27 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-lane.livejournal.com
Yeah, the Nokia sucks too much power to be charged by USB, there are Nokia USB chargers out there but they just take the power from the USB bus and pass it through to the phone... the 6680 will draw slightly more than that and the cable won't tell the computer how much power it needs which could, in some situations, cause nastyness and break USB on the computer... I wouldn't want to change my Nokia from my Powerbook :(

Having said that, my BlackBerries have USB charging and it IS a super-cool feature.

Date: 2005-06-27 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mister-jack.livejournal.com
I actually find the buttons on the V3 quite good. Except when I'm drunk and trying to navigate the menus...

I still recommend the V3, the software is not all that bad, IMO. Could be better, certainly, but not in a my-hat-of-v3-knows-no-limit kind of way.

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