Petals around the Rose

[sobrique]

A logic puzzle for you:

http://personal.baker.edu/web2/cdavis09/roses.html

It's called 'Petals around the Rose'. And the name is important.

Enjoy.

(I think I figured it out backwards - I got the 'what' before the 'why')

Comments

[the-g-man.livejournal.com]

Clever! Thanks for that one.

[xarrion.livejournal.com]

Well, it took me four rolls to get it. Does that mean I'm really clever, or incredibly stupid? :/

[ehrine.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure how you could manage to get the what before the why.

[xarrion.livejournal.com]

Pattern recognition. It's entirely possible to figure out without knowing the name of the game at all. Might just take half an hour longer.

[dj-rws.livejournal.com]

Yeah, cute little game. I released the hint only after solving it though. Took me about 7 tries before I had it nailed. How could that guy have gone a year without solving it? And he said the longer it takes the more intelligent you are. Rubbish, he just couldn't see the wood through the trees, or the petals around the rose :)

[ehrine.livejournal.com]

Having searched about the net afterwards, there are a few more "tips" as well as an extra rule you're allowed to tell them.

For the rule, the number is always 0 or even.

As for the main tip, people usually look far too deeply. I suspect that's where the more intelligent the harder it is comes from. The more intelligent you are the more you try to analyse and work out formula. Another story about it I read had Bill Gates (back in 1977) taking about 5-6 hours (at least) of continual work on the problem to solve it.

[xarrion.livejournal.com]

nah, I reckon the 'more intelligent you are, the longer it takes' thing comes purely from the Professor taking so long to get it, and joking about it afterwards ;)

As it says, it's a puzzle based on perception rather than plain intelligence. Having said that, I suppose it depends on what basis you define intelligence...

[dj-rws.livejournal.com]

Paul, 0 is even :D

You hit the nail on the head: it's a perception based puzzle not a mathematics based puzzle. You can have the best maths solving capability on the planet but if you can't find the question then your f**ked.

[xarrion.livejournal.com]

42

[ehrine.livejournal.com]

Some people will argue 0 isn't technically an even number in the same way that thesedays 1 isn't classed as a prime number. It's a special case. Personally, I couldn't care less as I'm not a mathamatician.

[ewx.livejournal.com]

0 is not a special case with regard to odd/even. "Some people" are wrong.

[sobrique.livejournal.com]

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57104.html

Zero is an even number. An integer n is called *even* if there exists an integer m such that n = 2m, and *odd* if n+1 is even. From this, it is clear that 0 = (2)(0) is even. The reason for this definition is so that we have the property that every integer is either even or
odd.

Except on a roulette wheel of course :)

Oh, and...

[ewx.livejournal.com]

You can define anything as anything, of course, but regarding units as prime has been silly at least since Euclid (i.e. comfortably over two millenia) if you ask me.

[feanelwa.livejournal.com]

I think so too. It took me a few hours to see it, and then I only saw it because I went off to eat some lunch, came back and thought "What if I used this really stupid system where..."

I suppose it's such a childlike way of analysing the data that if you spend your time thinking about complicated stuff, you find it harder to come back and think of the silly way.

[ryuumeiko.livejournal.com]

Very sneaky... I needed the 0 or even hint and the logic puzzle hint... *g* took me a few tries...

Funny, if you've done maths at A-level or higher, I think you're more likely not to get it fast, as your brain goes into maths-mode...

~Ryuu...

[jambon-gris.livejournal.com]

we did have a big fuck off clue.

BTW zero is just zero and uis neither even nor odd, and one was never prime as i understand it. One is a very special number indeed

[zaitan.livejournal.com]

I could not get your link to work, so I searched for the name of the game and found a story about our chum (sic) Bill Gates taking 5-6 hours to solve said puzzle. Fortunately, I had solved the puzzle by the time I had finished reading the story.

[mavnn.livejournal.com]

2 rolls with the name. With out the name I suspect it would have kept me going for a very long time indeed...

Although, neither of the first two rolls had a '3' in, so I did have to guess one aspect of the answer.

(Hope nobody thinks that counts as too much of a clue)

Dana

[(Anonymous)]

its only hard to find it out if you look at it the hard way...but not if you look at it the easy way.The name of the game is petals arouns a rose.keep that in mind.